Tulpa.info - metaphysics

Exactly ❤️

6:32 PM

When our suffering is overwhelming, it can sound like such bullshit

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But it really is true

6:33 PM

The core of the human being is consciousness, and consciousness is peaceful by nature

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Life can teach us to rest in that

When I would try meditation, it just seemed that after quieting my mind, the feeling is just blankness. Completely unremarkable. But maybe that's the point, for some at least

6:34 PM

Inner peace/stillness

No yeah, it really is unremarkable, except when you contrast it with the suffering that's usually there

6:35 PM

But in and of itself, it's not a feeling of overwhelming bliss

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Just a quiet acceptance that life is okay

I'm sure there's some bliss feeling that one can get, but it's not the point of the meditation

The bliss is often part of the process. It's mainly a result of the strong contrast

6:36 PM

But as you've said, that's not how life turns out to be lived in every moment after suffering has come to an end

6:36 PM

It's one of the available "states" of the human being

6:37 PM

The bliss is really just another pointer that outward seeking of happiness is misguided. It's all within, like you said

Christian pastor: moves a single inch The masses:

Lol

5:56 AM

inb4 cursing registered sex offenders for the fuck of it

5:57 AM

"SKULL WITH WINGS"

5:57 AM

lost member of avenged sevenfold

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Let's talk about the complete opposite of that

6:22 AM

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/how-the-library-of-congress-unrolled-a-2-000-year-old-buddhist-scroll?utm_source=pocket-newtab

How the Library of Congress Unrolled a 2,000-Year-Old Buddhist Scroll

“It was the most fragile object we have ever encountered.”

very very slowly

very very veeerrryyy slowly

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/daryl-bem-proved-esp-is-real?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Daryl Bem Proved ESP Is Real

Which means science is broken.

Lmao I read that same article 10 minutes ago

2:33 AM

Is that proof ESP is real??

I haven't read the article, but I saw it and figured it was a good link

2:33 AM

I doubt it's actually proof

I doubt I was actually serious

oh you were making a joke about the fact we both saw it

2:34 AM

Nevermind me, thought you were talking about the article still

Yeah haha

In Soviet Russia, good vibes put out you!

One of my biggest pet peeves is when people share an article based upon the title without having read it. Case in point, this lengthy article with the title "Daryl Bem Proved ESP is Real," is not in fact a proof of ESP. Rather is it a dissertation on how the publication of the research paper that Bem submitted has changed the field of psychology publications by showing everyone how easy it can be to skew research data with statistics. To quote a couple lines in the article:

Wagenmakers drafted a rebuttal... ...The problems he saw in Bem’s paper were not particular to paranormal research. “Something is deeply wrong with the way experimental psychologists design their studies and report their statistical results,” Wagenmakers wrote. “We hope the Bem article will become a signpost for change, a writing on the wall: Psychologists must change the way they analyze their data

9:54 AM

Granted, it was an interesting read. But if you entered the link with the expectation that you would find proof of ESP you would be sorely mistaken.

But if you entered the link with the expectation that you would find proof of ESP you would be sorely mistaken.

That's the whole point

3:18 PM

Great article with a great headline IMO

there was some interesting information in the article, but the title was really misleading and it felt like it flip flopped on whether or not it was trying to convince you of ESP halfway through

it felt like it flip flopped on whether or not it was trying to convince you of ESP halfway through

Which I appreciated

4:03 PM

Lets you come to your own conclusions rather than spoonfeeding you

4:04 PM

People have such a need for black-and-white presentations

it totally spoonfeeds you, it just changes what opinion it is spoonfeeding you halfway through. that isn't any better

Great article with a great headline IMO

I think you mean great article with click-bait headline (edited)

I disagree with the spoonfeeding theory. I think the writer was attempting to write the article from a nonbias point of view. The point of the article was never about convincing the reader one way or another whether esp is real. (Hence why the title is click-bait) It was just about how a paper got published by following all the rules at the time and therefore shook the foundations of the field. The paper was about esp so of course there's going to be talk here and there about esp; opinions on both sides of the spectrum of belief. That's good reporting. And in the end (as was touched upon in the article) belief is very powerful. If you believe or disbelieve in esp, this article likely isn't going to change your mind anyway. So why not throw a bunch of scientist's opinions in there from both sides of belief and therefore appeal to a broader audience.

the article was never trying to disprove ESP, but in the beginning they were acting as if the study was airtight and definitively proved ESP, but then halfway through it switched gears and started saying that the article actually didn't prove or disprove ESP and that the real significance of it was that it showed that the field of psychology was not scientifically rigorous enough

Yeah I just don't see why that's bad unless you choose to stop reading after the first 10 % of the article

okay so, i've been learning some different forms of magick lately, and recently found myself deep in a course of chaos magick. I encountered the phase where we are learning to create servitors, and while I havent messed with it yet, the very idea seems to interest my only headmate. She's even gained new abilities, a sort of open-eye visualizaion, as a friend put it. But I've been too nervous to try to do anything with a servitor. So my tulpa, Zoe, just asked me if she could try executing the functions of a servitor.

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is this safe? or like, in any way a good idea?

I wanna help

chaos magic is 99% most likely a hack. if you want 'tangible' magic, look into the hermetic tradition and mental philosophies

1:22 AM

or its probably real and you're going to invoke some horrible shit for material gain at the expense of the suffering of others

Magick within the headspace? Is that just a placebo to affirm mind constructs?

it might be related to mind constructs or the lifeblood of it. its what convinced me to invest in it

7:26 PM

its ANCIENT stuff. suggests that the ONLY kind of magic is mental. i buy it. magic that involves you spinning in a circle one thousand fold is a summoning

7:27 PM

when you commune with devils you write a death notice for yourself

I'mma use that as a song lyric

My Tulpa, Zoe, just asked me if she could try executing the functions of a servitor.

@Deleted User I have read of instances where a person created a servitor that ended up becoming a tulpa eventually. Gaining awareness and becoming it's own being. With that in mind I think letting an already Tulpa, who is entirely willing, take on the function of a servitor greatly lessens the chance of unintentionally creating a second tulpa in your headspace.

Bernardo Kastrup - The Universe in Consciousness Abstract: I propose an idealist ontology that makes sense of reality in a more parsimonious and empirically rigorous manner than mainstream physicalism, bottom-up panpsychism, and cosmopsychism. The proposed ontology also offers more explanatory power than these three alternatives, in that it does not fall prey to the hard problem of consciousness, the combination problem, or the decombination problem, respectively. It can be summarized as follows: there is only cosmic consciousness. We, as well as all other living organisms, are but dissociated alters of cosmic consciousness, surrounded by its thoughts. The inanimate world we see around us is the extrinsic appearance of these thoughts. The living organisms we share the world with are the extrinsic appearances of other dissociated alters. https://philpapers.org/archive/KASTUI.pdf

I moved to here from #lounge I find it pretty fascinating that one of the common messages behind Christian teachings is put God above all, but if that's the case then why does the church part need to happen? It creates a lot of conflict and seems pretty backwards.

hm?

10:57 PM

the function of churches is meant to be like as a community gathering place, and for lots of people church is still the cornerstone of their community and social lives

10:57 PM

that's like saying, "if these teachers think education is so important, why do they build colleges?" (edited)

10:58 PM

when I was saying that, in the sermon, they were saying that "Christ + the church = a ploy" and only Christ alone = salvation, I'm pretty sure those people aren't saying "don't come to church" or "we don't need churches"

10:58 PM

but the idea is that just going to church isn't enough, in fact, it's not the thing that matters

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Christ is what matters

10:59 PM

just like sitting in class doesn't make you a good student, turning your work in makes you a good student

10:59 PM

the only "work" that counts for a "grade", under this idea of Christianity, is the "Christ as Lord and Savior, who paid for my sins and rose again and will return" bit

Ah, I see. That makes sense.

The Church is the body of Christ on Earth

11:54 PM

I'll repost a pretty good explanation from St. John of Shanghai and San Fransisco when I get home

That's a cool saint name

On the topic of church, here's a lovely video on a specific kind of church. https://vimeo.com/390833915?ref=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR0nRiFJj8CbFjMNimLZ9PAJLcyJRHVWMoJZWgcIqT0ANhKRa578W3uR3Yg

The word Church means both the building, and also all legitimately baptized christians as a group

5:04 AM

The reason to go to the building is for worship and because that's where the mysteries are done

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baptism, confession, marriage, holy communion, etc

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After the Holy Spirit was given to the Seventy apostles at Pentecost, they passed that on through the laying of hands. This is still done today to ordain bishops as it has always been done

5:10 AM

Those bishops in turn ordain priests etc, and this is how priests are able to carry out the mysteries. These mysteries (also called sacraments) are the fulfillment and continuation of the rituals of the first temple. A Church without mysteries isn't a church at all, but something more akin to the Synagogue, which is what the pharisees and their modern rabbinic Jewish descendants used to teach in.

5:31 AM

By St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco, Eastern Orthodox Christian Saint who reposed in 1966 (edited)

5:33 AM

Not to say that places of community and preaching are bad, just that they're not Churches

Are you a Christian?

Eastern Orthodox, yes

How'd you get into tulpamancy?

I'm not into tulpamancy. I've been aware of the community for a few years but I came in here earlier today looking for information about thoughtforms etc

Ah interesting

From the wikipedia page on thoughtforms: (edited)

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5:43 AM

@Maharani Orthodox spiritual and mystical practice forbids the use of visualizations. The literature generally states that "double thought" or the mind's eye/visualization as we understand it is a byproduct of the fall

Wowsers

We believe that passions are excited largely through mental impressions/images and that the way to fight them is to practice 'nepsis' (watchfulness) in order to ignore/dispel images as they enter the mind. A lot of the images come from demons and it takes a level of discernment to be able to tell. It's the same reason behind why Eastern Orthodox reccomend against messing around with dreams; basically demon territory. (edited)

5:48 AM

Which is why I'm interested in thoughtforms as a concept; a lot of modern entertainment seems to be based around the manipulation of visualizations (most notably in genre fiction). I wanted to see more developed directions that people have taken visualization in, and the tulpa community fits that bill. (edited)

5:50 AM

If you think about t, even ignoring all the religious stuff I just mentioned, visualization is oddly underutilized in modern culture. Reading a novel is extremely rudamentary compared to what the visualization faculty is capable of, which is a fact that you guys stand as a testament to. (edited)

takes deep breath

Are you gonna report back on your findings to your local bishop?

6:08 AM

You writing an exposé?

Are you questioning your beliefs?

Is this gonna end with someone getting their tulpa exorcized?

6:20 AM

Or maybe the host...